Turkey - Who are Edom, Moab & Ammon?

He

Ottoman Empire or Turkey

shall enter also into the glorious land,

to fight Muhammad Ali Pashaand who now rules Egypt and

many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon

still being under the control of Egypt

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Stop point: 116:00

The HE is this video switched to Turkey.
I was still following the line of thinking that France was the He.
So I'm going to continue with that thought later and make another column.
I'll put that column of France on the first column below.
This top section will now be following the video as the Ottoman Empire.
It will use the most space since this is what I'm trying to study the most.

If you're going to say He, Him, or His is a third power you should stick with that.
But for whatever reason the He is now Turkey.
I'm guessing cause of the structure of the sentence.
Maybe the He did switch, but most studies I've listened to tend to keep it with the same power.

The video above now has Egypt coming against Turkey.
Earlier Turkey was in charge of both sides.
So we better look at why Ottoman's are not controlling Egypt now.

So basically Muhammad Ali Pasha was an Albanian Ottoman governor that was sent down to take control of Egypt after the void left by Napoleon.
Later, much like after the U.S. puts a leader in the middle east, they de facto and take power for themselves and become a new power to be dealt with.
Looks like nothing has changed.

This new Egypt that started with Muhammad Ali Pasha as ruler now is gaining power and comes against the Ottoman Empire and takes the glorious land.

In the video she says that the Ottoman Empire entered the glorious land because they were fighting with Egypt.
Which I think is strange since they already controlled the promise land right?
So they did not have to enter it, they were already there.
Of course they had to enter Israel at some time.

It looks like the Ottoman Empire takes Syria and Israel again around 1840.
Maybe this was the time the Ottoman Empire entered into the glorious land.
I will say all this lines up perfectly for Jesus to return in 1844.

Even if this is the truth for these scriptures I still believe smaller local events many times in the Bible relates to larger global events.

Did the Ottoman Empire enter into the glorious land?
Yes, more than one time.
They were there, pushed out and later came back.

Did Edom, Moab, and Ammon escape?
Yes, since either Muhammad Ali Pasha or his son Ibrahim were able to keep control of that area.
Later it did go back to the Ottoman Empire and eventually to Britain control.

Were countries overthrown?
Yes, Greece, Syria, Egypt, and parts of Europe were changing hands.

France - Who are Edom, Moab, & Ammon?

He

France

shall enter also into the glorious land

Israel

, and many countries shall be overthrown:

in Europe and Northern Africa

but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon

as France had to leave before entering that land and take care of more pressing matters nears it's homeland

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Stop point: 116:00

This study started off with me thinking France was the He in this verse.
And I had France as the one that enters into the glorious land.
Instead of deleting all of this, I'm just continuing with more lines of thoughts.

Did Napoleon even care about Edom, Moab, and Ammon.
Being neighbors to Israel, yea I guess they would scared with them so close.
Napoleon did not get too far into Israel though before turning back.

So the question arises.
Q. Did Napoleon enter into the glourious land.
A. Yes barely and only for a very short time.
Q. Did Edom, Moab, and Ammon escape?
A. Kind of, but they were never attacked.
Q. Were countries overthrown?
A. Yes, but many for only a short time.

So far I would say France fulfills this literally.
Napoleon enters into Israel.
Edom, Moab, and Ammon seems to have escaped much of the time of the end.
See video to the right --->
Many countries were overthrown by France.
But still were the SDA pioneers using up the scripture to push their idea?
Why would France be so significant to the end times?
Why would France and Turkey not fit with most end time revelations.
So many questions to ask for why you would end Daniel with these events.

Russia - Who are Edom, Moab, & Ammon?

He

Russia

shall enter also into the glorious land

Israel

, and many countries shall be overthrown:

as they move through Ukraine and Turkey

but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon

as Russia's battle is more against the western countries and ideas than it is against the east

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Switching the He, Him, His from France to Turkey in the previous section also got me switching the Papacy out for Russia.

Again I want to look over each side and see what works.
This section will still keep Russia as Him.
The next section will leave the He, Him, His as the Papacy.

There are two ways to look at Russia.
Russia takes up a large part of the North literally.
Russia allies with China who is spiritually atheistic.
With Russia being a future interpretation we continue to look for signs.
Russia has for a long time been a threat to other nations.
Even now Russia is pushing at Ukraine.
What if Russia pushes it's way down into Turkey and into Israel?

What if Russia and China join together?

What would be the outcome of that?

And getting back to Daniel 11:41, does anyone care about the area of Jordan?

If Jordan is the place to escape then why are we not teaching that?
Stop saying move to the country.
Jordan is the place where we should go.

Papacy - Who are Edom, Moab, & Ammon?

He

Papacy

shall

literally

enter also into the glorious land

Israel

, and many countries shall be overthrown:

as we move into the NWO headed by the United Nations

but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon

to fulfill the prophecy of Ishmael and Esau being a wild man. (see Gen 16:12, Gen 25:27)

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First, does the Papacy have the Christians wanting the temple mount?

Could we actually see Jews back at the temple mount?

Is this what God wants?

Who is behind this belief?

Will some nations push back against the NWO?

The middle eastern nations are the ones that give the NWO the most trouble.
There is always constant war over there.
Many of the pipelines and canals involve world trade.
These are always under constant struggle for the controlling power.
The U.S. justifies these wars by saying they attack us because were rich and free.

Who is really behind all these wars?
Who is really in control?
What is their goal?
What I read in Revelation is that this is about controlling the world.

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. (Rev 13:3)

The NWO, The Great Reset, Globalism, whatever you want to call it.
This is where we are headed.
And the U.S. is the one that wants this the most.

And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. (Rev 13:12)

I could go on here but you get the just of this.
It's basically what my whole web page is about.

Spiritual - Who are Edom, Moab, & Ammon?

He

Papacy

shall

spiritually

enter also into the glorious land

Spiritual Israel

, and many countries shall be

spiritually

overthrown:

as the Papacy gives orders to the 7th head of Rev 17 or the United Nations

but

some of

these shall escape out of his hand

during the loud cry

, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon

or the people in the valley of decision between Israel and Babylon

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We have already seen in Revelation that places are spiritual.
Israel, Zion, Babylon, Great City, Egypt, Sodom, Seven Churches.
Many old testament prophecies talk about judgment on the nations.

I believe all these nations show up at the end of Daniel because like Rev 14:7 says "the hour of his judgment is come".

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. (Rev 11:18)

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. (Rev 19:15-16)

All these nations given I believe are past nations God has judged.
God gives them as an example for our day.
Both literally and spiritually nations will be judged.
If these nations (Edom, Moab, Ammon) are to be taken spiritually.
Who escapes the Mark Of The Beast?

As Israel was about to enter the promise land they first had to make a visit.
God spared these nations, maybe because the were close relatives?

And now, behold, the children of Ammon and Moab and mount Seir, whom thou wouldest not let Israel invade, when they came out of the land of Egypt, but they turned from them, and destroyed them not; (2 Chron 20:10)

These nations escaped back then, and it looks like they will be spared again.
At least for a time.
Spiritually speaking, who would our close relatives be?

In the end, whether Edom, Moab & Ammon are to be taken literally as some middle eastern nations or spiritually as a special group that does not go along with the mark of the beast, either way I think the Papacy is the one whose doctrines are deceiving the nations.

With the help of the United States (Rev 13) and the United Nations (Rev 17) with it's influence on the False Prophet (Rev 16) you can see we are right there at the end of time.

This clip helps explain what I was thinking on the literal vs spiritual interpretation.